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Jim McClanahan Moderator |
Paul wrote: "So, who do they like? And, who do we like? Shosty's one of my faves, but Bernie and Thought I should drag this thread over to the classical forum. Hope that's okay. I would be on thin ice if I tried to characterize the tastes of the Shostakovitch list. Many members of that group are eminent DSCH scholars and musicians. So I'll just make a couple of broad generalizations and then speak for myself. I think Haitink is seen as just too pedestrian and unadventurous by many. I don't share that opinion. As I've said, his fourth and eighth are terrific IMHO. However, in the main, your safest bet is to get any decently recorded DSCH symphony as conducted by Evgeny Mravinsky (the greatest of all Russian conductors, living or dead. He seemed almost to be joined at the hip with the composer) or by Gennady Rozhdestvensky (perhaps the greatest living Russian conductor). For specific Symphonies, I would recommend Stokowski for the 1st (United Artists UAS 8004), 5th (Everest) and 11th (get the EMI, if you can. There are a lot of bad pressings of this great performance). The 5th as recorded by Karel Ancerl and the Czech Philharmonic for Supraphon (also available as a Parliament reissue) is the most lyrical version of this warhorse I've ever heard. Some of those who have had the opportunity rave about the symphonies that have been recorded by Kurt Sanderling. I haven't found one yet, but like his work generally. The best Leningrad (7th) I have heard is done by Yevgeny Svetlanov & the USSR Symphony (Angel/Melodiya) My favorite 14th is done by the composer's friend Mstislav Rostropovitch (Columbia/Melodiya). It's fun to collect original Melodiya pressings, but they can be hard to listen to. I'm told it often requires a fatter stylus than many of us use to get the most out of them. Oh, and I don't care for Lenny's neurotic version of the 5th, although his 7th is fine. Don't know why anyone thinks that Previn's 8th is so great when they can get Haitink. :-) Regards, Jim |
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Carl Pultz Member |
Jim wrote: >Oh, and I don't care for Lenny's neurotic version of the 5th, although his 7th is fine. Yes, I think so too, and his distortion of the the coda is plain wrong. His DG disc of 6 and 9 is great, I think, and excellent sound on LP. Is it the DG 7th you like or the Columbia? Rozhdestvensky did several of the symphonies, or maybe the whole cycle, with the Ministry of Culture SO in the early 80s. I have several on JVC CDs, and they are fabulously intense. I'd like to check out the Shost. group. do they publish a digest? |
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Jim McClanahan Moderator |
Carl wrote:
quote: The Columbia.
quote: His 10th on Melodiya CD (Sorry, don't have it on vinyl) is just plain scary. The Allegro is visceral. But I have to say that I think a better version is Mravinsky's with the Leningrad PO on Erato (CD again) from a radio broadcast, I believe. It's intense without being wild. I really like them both. OTOH, there's Karajan's on DG which quite a few people seem to like. But I feel that it lacks soul.
quote: No, but there are archives available.
quote: If you wish to subscribe: Write to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UH.EDU and, in the text of your message (not the subject line), write: SUBSCRIBE DSCH-L It's a fairly low volume list and pretty academic for the most part. Regards, Jim
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Carl Pultz Member |
Thank you, Jim! |
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Jim McClanahan Moderator |
Jim McClanahan foolishly said about the Shostakovitch list:
quote: If anybody has been reading the posts on this list for the past few days, you'll find some of the most egregious mud-slinging I've had the pleasure of reading in ages. Politics and jingoism. Not much about music right now. But the number of posts has about tripled! Nothing worse than an outraged intellectual, unless it's a reformed smoker. Regards, Jim |
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Jim McClanahan Moderator |
A comment on conventional Ebay wisdom: I just won an auction for the minimum bid of $2.00 U.S. for a Philips disc of Haitink/Concertgebouw playing The Shostakovitch 12th Symphony. It's a 1983 (read digital) recording and the cover is less than mint, but the performance promises to be interesting. I've already said that the same forces performing the 4th and 8th have moved to the forefront among my DSCH favorites. My favorite 12th is by Mravinsky/Leningrad on Angel/Melodiya. So it would take an awfully good reading to win me over. But for two bucks plus shipping, who cares? So while the collectors were falling all over themselves clawing for the prized shaded dog or FR Merc; sniping each other at the bidding finish line, I was the only bidder for this album. Strikes me as strange. Are there many collectors who also love music? Or are my tastes just too narrow? Regards, Jim |
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JT Member |
Jim wrote: "So while the collectors were falling all over themselves clawing for the prized shaded dog or FR Merc; sniping each other at the bidding finish line, I was the only bidder for this album. Strikes me as strange. Are there many collectors who also love music? Or are my tastes just too narrow?" I think the whole point of eBay is to get one's hands on really rare records that can't be picked up locally. Then too, the cost of shipping relative to the value of the record is a factor--paying $5 shipping on a $75 record is one thing, on a $2 record something else. If I were looking for the Philips, I'd just wait until it turned up at a local vinyl emporium, and then buy it in a pile of similar items. If anyone is interested in audiophile Shostakovich, I am listening right now to the 5th with Skrowaczewski and the Minneapolis on an early pressing of Mercury SR90060, a new acquisition. The performance is seems OK, and really hearing the full orchestral colors of the piece is really something. Worth trying if found. |
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webmaster Administrator |
JT wrote:
quote: In my locale, the local vinyl emporiums are no longer buying/selling used classical vinyl, although other genres are represented. Is this true anywhere else? Just an informal survey... |
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Al Fox Administrator |
Susan asks: quote: Here on Planet NJ, we have the Princeton Record Exchange with plenty of classical vinyl. The other dealers usually carry some The dealer closest to me (in PA) will pick up a collectable classical LP if it comes his way but doesn't actively seek Columbias or less collectable recordings. -Al |
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Jim McClanahan Moderator |
I'm a happy camper! I just got the Shostakovich 12th (Haitink/Concertgebouw) I mentioned earlier. First a correction: It's London (LDR 71077), not Philips. And it is better than near mint. It's MINT! Just a very slight digital edge to the sound which is more than compensated for by the warm and spacious acoustic of chez Concertgebouw. I've heard the orchestra play, but never in their own hall. It must be quite an experience. Henny? Care to elaborate? ![]() It's a very good recording, well worth the modest price I paid and on a par with the Mravinsky as far as performance is concerned and better re recorded sound. Was it Lanny who enthused over the bass drum in the Leibowitz "Sacre"? Check out the percussion in the 4th movement of this one! To paraphrase George S. Patton: "Hi-Fi! God help me, but I do love it so!" Quoth Susan:
quote: Not much to crow about in Fresno county to begin with. There are two within a couple of blocks of each other. One has a pretty good turnover of used vinyl and the owner cares about the condition of what he sells which is always priced fairly. But he gave up on classical years ago. He told me he could only offer anyone about 50 cents apiece for anything they had and would probably take a loss anyway. So I go there for rock and jazz. Down the street is a place chock full of LPs, 45s and 78s. A fair amount of classical. But no turnover. The stuff's been there for eons. The owner, a retired lady, is doing well to keep the light bill paid. I don't think she actively tries to build her trade. So I either desultorily troll the waters of Ebay or hit the out of town places when I'm on the road. I'll be making a stop at Amoeba Records in Berkely next week. Still looking for that stereo Bernstein/Sacre. ------------------ Jim |
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Henny van der Groep Member |
Jim wrote: I'm a happy camper! I just got the Shostakovich 12th (Haitink/Concertgebouw) I mentioned earlier. First a correction: It's London (LDR 71077), not Philips. And it is better than near mint. It's MINT! Just a very slight digital edge to the sound which is more than compensated for by the warm and spacious acoustic of chez Concertgebouw. I've heard the orchestra play, but never in their own hall. It must be quite an experience. Henny? Care to elaborate? Hi Jim, Because I was born in Amsterdam I went regularly to "Het Concertgebouw". I love the sound of the Hall. It's fantastic and beyond words. It's funny but indeed you can recognize the acoustic of the hall on record and cd! My friends and I often played the game 'which hall, with what kind of orchestra'. Of course I have heard Haitink with "Het Concertgebouworkest" life, alas not yet with Shosty. I have a Russian record with Mavrinsky (Melodia 09395-96 with a Russian description) but I like Kondrashin better. And although I love Haitink's version I think it's hard to compare. The Russian sound is so completely different with their "balalaika sound" on the strings and their "thin woodwinds". |
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Jim McClanahan Moderator |
Henny says invitingly:
quote: I'm not sure if my Alaskan Airlines frequent flyer miles will get me that far away from true north.
quote: I have two of the same Mravinsky recording: one Melodiya transcription printed by the Connoisseur Record Corp. (MK 1580) The sound is excruciating. The other is on Angel/Melodiya SR-40128). It's in stereo and is much better. I like it a great deal. Haven't heard the Kondrashin, but I imagine it would be worthy. ------------------ Jim |
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Jim McClanahan Moderator |
Shamelessly quoting myself again:
quote: Didn't find much this trip. No Lenny/Sacre. Got a couple of laserdiscs (Amoeba's great for used LDs). I did nab a Chandos pressing of the Arnold Bax 2nd Symphony with Bryden Thomson and the LPO. I was glad to see I didn't already have it when I got home & checked. This might be a good topic to crank up. Any other Bax fans out there? For most of his output you have to look to Chandos or Lyrita, it seems. Any favorites? ------------------ Jim [This message has been edited by Jim McClanahan (edited 06-16-99).] |
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John N Member |
I still have troubles with Shostakovich symphonies. I heard the LA phil do no. 11 (i think) when I was a west coast boy,and it left me cold. Shostakovich is such an interesting character, so many sided, that I expected to take to him immediately, but so far it really hasn't happened. On the flip side, with his string quartets, it was love at first hear, and i have developed a strong affection for both major sets (the borodins and the fitzwilliam) I too do the record store tours when traveling, and since Susan and Tom Murray and I share the same home city, I also share their travails. In fact, Tom and Susan are my best fix for good classical vinyl. So my next two destinations are Washington D.C. and Vancouver. I've never hit a good source of used vinyl in washington; so suggestions for these two cities would be appreciated. |
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Andrew Wendelborn Member |
I've been picking up Shostakovitch symphonies on LP as I see them for a while now, with the intention of going through them one day, to get a better feel for his symphonic output. Haven't made much progress yet (but currently playing the 5th by Ormandy / Philadelphia on RCA Red Seal "quadradisc"; performance-wise, I htink it will warrant more attentive listening, but sonically a little disappointing with "dry" top end). But one I did sit down and listen to a couple of months ago was the 13th. Regrettably, this would have to be one of the worst recordings of anything I'd be curious to know some more about the original Everest version. Not I'd be interested in what you think are good recordings of this work, so
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Jim McClanahan Moderator |
Andrew writes re the Shostakovitch 5th:
quote: This is actually a pretty good performance. At least I like it. There are non-quad issues of this same record, so you may want to search for it. I've had both, and like the extra "air" I seem to get with the quad. No accounting for tastes. Re the 13th:
quote: The Everest copy (3181) is in "electronically enhanced stereo", so isn't that collectable in terms of sonics. There are plenty of other versions out there which I'm sure others can suggest. This could even include another Ormandy RCA effort with the Philadelphians from 1970 (LSC-3162). I'm afraid it's dynagrooved, but worth a listen anyway if you can find a copy.
Jim [This message has been edited by Jim McClanahan (edited 06-27-99).] |
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Philip Hargis Member |
quote: Actually there is a very good recording on UK RCA. It msut have sold quite well because there is an original and a reissue. I don't remember the title & artists as I am not at home. I will look it up later tonight. I do remember I liked it very much. ------------------ |
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Philip Hargis Member |
quote: Original Everest pressings with the light-blue/silver label, the LP in a dowel-spined inner jacket, and a silver-backed outer-jacket are so far superior to later pressings that you can tell absolutely nothing about the recording from the older pressings. The purple/silver label in a silver-backed outer-album jacket is also almost indistinguishable from the light-blue/silver label pressings. Get the orignal, if at all possible. You will be amazed!!!!!!! ------------------ |
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Andrew Wendelborn Member |
Jim wrote: quote: I agree -- in general. That's my experience with most of my quadraphonic Thanks for the info re Everest (I presume that's a "later" Everest), and
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Philip Hargis Member |
quote: Ok all you closet Bax lovers. Here is the Bax LP I was referring to: Bax: Sym.3 & Symphonic Poem "The Happy Forest", UK RCA SB6806; reissued on UK RCA Gold Seal GL 42247; Edward Downes conducting the London Symphony Orchestra, 1969. A recording with very nice sonics which all Bax lovers will enjoy. ------------------ |
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Jim McClanahan Moderator |
Andrew says:
quote: Yes. Blue, orange & yellow label. And Phil is right on point about the silver backed Everests. In this record, I'm not sure there was an earlier Everest pressing. Phil?
quote: Among some Shostakovitch devotees, a sumptuous recording of the 13th is considered something to be avoided. The subject is grim and harsh and so should be the recording. I don't exactly to subscribe to this notion, but I can understand it. Hate to admit it, but my favorite of this work is on Chandos CD from 1987: City of Birmingham SO, Okko Kamu cond., Nikita Storojev, bass. A strong performance, passionately delivered. ------------------ Jim [This message has been edited by Jim McClanahan (edited 06-30-99).] |
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Jim McClanahan Moderator |
Phil shares with us:
quote: The big question: What are the chances of someone in the U.S. finding a copy of this?
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Philip Hargis Member |
Jim laments: quote: Well Jim, since I reside in the sunny southwest (NM) I took your lament to heart. I found one copy at Princeton Record Exchange on the east coast and another on the west coast at Amoeba. Each for the wopping price of $2.99. So, I guess the odds are pretty good if you get to the east or west coasts. This is one those LPs you are not likely to see on a dealer list because it is not considered collectable. That IMO does not make it any less desirable. In fact, I love it, becasue it keeps the price low and the LP could languish unforgotten in some bin for years and years. Its a curious quirk of the LP collecting market that rare audiophile LPs are easy to find, you just have to be willing to pay the price (just look at the number of rare classical LP dealers on the web). Whereas, non-audiophile LPs are the most difficult to find because no one is looking for them and no dealer wants to stock them. IMO, the best places to find nice non-audiophile LPs are those carrying large stocks of what most people would consider "junk", but I generaly consider the true treasures. Happy hunting. ------------------ |
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Jim McClanahan Moderator |
Phil reveals re the UK RCA Bax:
quote: Would you believe I was delving through the Bax bin about two & a half weeks ago at Amoeba? Didn't see it then. Did you beat me to it or did I just miss bumping heads with you that day? ------------------ Jim |
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Philip Hargis Member |
Jim really laments: quote: Well Jim our paths did not just miss as I was last at Amoeba in January. I have been back to the Bay Area a few times since then but have unfortunately not had time to sample the vinyl goodies. I believe the Bax showed up at the SF store. Do you have a preference as to whether you prefer the Berkeley or SF store. ------------------ |
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Jim McClanahan Moderator |
Quoth Phil:
quote: Most of the time I find myself in the East Bay, so I haven't been to the SF Amoeba outlet. I like the Berserkeley store because Rasputins is right up the street. If I haven't spent all my disposable cash by the time I exit one, I can then hit the other. ------------------ Jim [This message has been edited by Jim McClanahan (edited 07-02-99).] |
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Andrew Wendelborn Member |
Just a short postscript to a couple of messages I posted a while ago re Shostakovitch 5th and 13th. Last week I did sit and listen properly to the Ormandy 5th. It is indeed an And listening again to the 13th after several months, the recording itself
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Andrew Wendelborn Member |
I think this thread is dead, but couldn't resist mentioning a performance I picked up recently at Record Surplus in LA. That's Symphony 9 plus the Yevtushenko poem "The execution of Stepan Razin" (Moscow Phil, Kondrashin, Melodiya/Angel SR40000). I think it's an excellent performance, and suprisingly good sonically. Lest it be thought that I spend my meagre listening hours comparing shades regards |
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Susan Murray Member |
Andrew wrote:
quote: If you have the time, I would suggest looking up member Ralph Harris in the northern mountains. I feel certain he has an outstanding collection and could possibly lead you to the Salvation Army superstore. Speaking of Shostakovich, has anyone read Pages from the Life of Dimitri Shostakovich by the Sollertinskys? I got about half way through the book before being put off by what I felt was Soviet sanitization. BTW, one of the things I like about having the forums on the web is that threads really never die. Anyone may revive them at any time if they have something to add. Have fun on your trip! Susan |
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Ralph Harris Member |
Susan wrote: If you have the time, I would suggest looking up member Ralph Harris in the northern mountains. I feel certain he has an outstanding collection and could possibly lead you to the Salvation Army superstore. ................................. Send 'em on up, Susan; I'd be glad to show Andrew or any other member to the Bargin Barn. It's actually not that easy to find, and can be a bit annoying at times to shop there, what with INAGODADVITA! blarring through 5 junk store speakers at 105 db. But sometimes, especially for the Classical Collector, it's worth it. There's really very few classical aficionados that show up regularly at The Barn: me, Danial (a cello player in the local Symphony), and Weird Charley, who lives farther up in the Mountains than I do, and he seems only to make town once a season for supplies, and to replenish his lp stocks for the quarter. Actually I just returned from there (they're open seven days a week), but the only thing I found today was a coconut that someone had meticulously carved into a monkey's head. (At opening time, in the ensuing melee that followed, someone had accidently kicked it and it rolled into my foot!) Actually looks pretty good hanging up outside my porch! Regards,/ Ral;ph |
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Jim McClanahan Moderator |
Andrew wrote:
quote: Still alive and well! And yes, this is a very good performance of both the symphony and the Poem. I don't think it's especially rare, but the performance is great. Kondrashin is one of a few Russian conductors who always seemed to do well in the DSCH works. I hope your copy had the leaflet with the translation of the poem. The words in Russian are highly evocative and it's interesting to see the English equivalents and to realize that Yevtushenko himself used his language almost like a musical instrument. And not only Shostakovitch:
quote: Almost any Basie/Roulette combination is well worth getting. The best transfers I've heard are the ones on Mosaic, but, alas, I've never acquired them. ------------------ Jim [This message has been edited by Jim McClanahan (edited 08-08-99).] |
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Ralph Harris Member |
After a bit of a search, I finally found a Yevgeni Mravinsky-conducted Shostakovich in decent shape, on Melodiya mono (MK 219-B.) It's a two-record box containing two works: the Symp. #8, and something special, the Quartet No. 4 in D Major, the Beethoven Quartet. Although the recording is compressed, it doesn't have bad sound for a Melodiya (on 3 sides anyway.) The performance on both is excellent. Mravinsky takes the Leningrad Phil. Orch. through a brooding and pensive Sym #8, intense as hell without ever going over the top. Im not a Shostakovich expert by any means, but I do love this music. At times it borders on a neurosis that I can relate to, I suppose. As I haven't heard much in this thread about the #8 Sym, I'm wondering how it rates among other Shostakovich aficionados in relation to his other works. Speaking of Shostakovich, I've just finished listening to Sym #6 with Boult, nice performance and another good-sounding blue/silver label Everest. Regards, Ralph |
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Jim McClanahan Moderator |
Ralph wrote:
quote: If you have the will to listen to the less than stellar sonics, this performance does have its rewards. In some ways it might be considered a benchmark for this work. As far as other versions go, HP's list includes the EMI recording with Previn and the LSO. I have a copy of this performance on Angel and it is awful in terms of sound. The Mravinsky is preferable, IMO. My current favorite is the one on London/Decca by the Concertgebouw under Haitink. Great dynamics and a huge orchestral palatte (to mix a metaphor). Try very hard to get a vinyl copy. The CD is readily available, but not nearly as riveting. I'm guessing it has something to do with the inherent rhythmic disparities between CD and vinyl, but I'm reaching here. I just discovered that I have an unplayed copy of the 14th Symphony that has been hiding from me in my shelves. It's by the Moscow Chamber Orchestra under Rudolph Barshai. I've been comparing the versions of Haitink and Rostropovich. I'll have to add this to the mix and report in later. ------------------ Jim |
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Andrew Wendelborn Member |
Susan and Ralph: thanks a lot for the tip, and the offer. Can't make it Jim said:
quote: Yes the leaflet was there -- those poems are superb, and stunning with the
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Susan Murray Member |
Andrew previously wrote:
quote: It truly is worth seeking out in the original Belock pressing; you should be able to find easy enough from an American source at a reasonable price (I would say around $15.00). Many of the Belock Everests are quite sonically stunning and I truly enjoy the Stokowski performances. Cheers, Susan |
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Jim McClanahan Moderator |
Having finally gotten the opportunity to compare three recordings of the Shostakovitch 14th Symphony, I can make some observations about the differences among the three. They are: Ensemble of Soloists of the Moscow Philharmonic - Galina Vishnevskaya and Mark Reshetin, soloists - Mstislav Rostropovich, conductor - Columbia/Melodiya M34507 Concertgebouw Orchestra - Julia Varady and Dietrich Fischer-Dieskau, soloists - Bernard Haitink, conductor - London LDR-71032 Moscow Chamber Orchestra - Margarita Miroshnikova and Yevgeny Vladimirov, soloists - Rudolph Barshai, conductor - Angel/Melodiya SR-40147 This work dwells on portents of death and dying in eleven contiguous vignettes set to poetry by Lorca, Apollinaire, Kuchelbecker and Rilke. As such it has the potential to be stultifying and oppressive. Done properly, and with a little imagination, it can be revealing of the composer's views on life, politics and even love. Both the Barshai and the Rostropovich use the texts of the poetry translated into Russian. The Haitink version uses the original languages of the poets. The Haitink performance has a languid and melancholy feel to it. The sound is spacious and somewhat recessed, giving a somewhat funereal impression. The Rostropovich is immediate and full-bodied without sounding dense or opaque. The Barshai is robust, but gives the distinct impression of having relied on multi-miking to achieve this. Of the soloists singing the Russian texts, Vishnevskaya is the standout. She is passionate and gritty, just what Rostropovich seems to have wanted. The soloists in the Barshai recording are somewhat plodding and mechanical. The soloists for Haitink are a different matter. Varady and Fischer-Dieskau are world class singers. If anyone has heard their collaboration as the principals in the Deutsche Grammophon recording of Bartok's "Bluebeard's Castle", you have an idea of their dramatic potential when performing together. Their performance here is brilliant, rendering every required nuance in every phrase. But somehow, the overall approach of resignation and despair employed by Haitink makes the whole thing work less well than one might expect or hope for. Rostropovich's overall approach is defiant and angry. The various aspects of the musical scenes give the very real impression of the composer's frustration with the status quo, in any way you might choose to imagine it. And, in the final analysis, this is what carries this performance to the head of the list. Not only great singing, but a coherent and intense interpretive point of view. This recording is indispensable. The Haitink has the virtue of wonderful soloists and is worth listening to for this alone. The Barshai, whatever value it may contain in sonics, is not worth repeated playing just for that feature. An interesting side note: Comments have been made on the Shostakovitch list recently about the CD printing of the Rostropovich recording on Russian Revelation. While all seem to acknowledge the stature of the performance, they decry the poor sound, wondering if it is a mono recording. I sent a note to the list pointing out that the vinyl copies available have no such shortcoming. I was roundly ignored. I think that analogue playback just simply isn't an option for many DSCH aficionados these days. I was discussing the Russian Revelation label with the guy who works in the local Tower Classical section. He indicated that people had better hurry and buy what copies they can find of anything Russian Revelation pressed because their demise (due to copyright problems) will render it impossible to get these recordings anymore. I ventured the opinion that it would still be possible to find vinyl copies of various Melodiya recordings. He paused and thought about it for a moment and said, "Well, yes, there is always that." ------------------ Jim |
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Henny van der Groep Member |
A comparison between Svetlanov and Kondrashin’s Ninth Symphony of Shostakovitch. Melodia 200 539-366 Moskau 1978. USSR Symphony Orchestra by J. Svetlanov Svetlanov has a very high tempo in first movement, there’s no moment of peace. A few moments like the threatning undertone needs more clearness and that’s impossible with such a tempo. The second movement where we can hear a sort of variation on a theme sounds lukewarm sad and gloomy. The third movement lively through its rhythm sounds dance a like and that’s no coincidence for it’s a dance the Tarentella. The trombone comes in triumphantically, The tempo is somehow in between but I miss the oh, so important spirit and then the Largo starts with the mighty opening by brass. The bassoon sing its song full melancholly like a complaint, it’s beautiful done by the player and makes you cry. This moves on into the last movement. Philips 412 073-1 Amsterdam 1980 Concertgebouw Orchestra Amsterdam by Kirill Kondrashin. Allegro. Kondrashin has more feeling with this Symphony. The irony in this Symphony comes better in his rights. His tempi are in balance and the melodies sounds more clear. The music is exciting and Kondrashin makes you listening. What more do we want. Both recordings sounds clear. But a performance in het Concertgebouw is always superb in my view. Cheers, Henny |
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Barry Member |
I've become a huge Shostakovich fan just in the past year and now have all of his symphonies on CD. Basically, my feelings are that if there is a Mravinsky performance of one of the symphonies, that's the one to get. I've yet to hear anyone that approaches him in numbers 5, 6, 8, 10, 11, 12 and 15. Bernstein's CSO recording of the 7th is fantasic (as is his late 50's recording of the 5th). For the 13, I initially had Solti's recording and didn't like it. I found it too plodding. I switched to Kondrashin and that made all the difference in the world. His early 60's recording is on fire! |
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Heck Member |
Shost symphonies are some of the 20th century,s major works. some favorites of mine: #1, #7 - Bernstein/CSO DG - great recordings, some of LB's best ever form6/88 #5 - Bernstein/NYPO Sony - the famous '59 Boston sym Hall rec. #6 - Reiner PittsburghSO - from '45 - Sony Mastrworks Heritage - great price. good sound! #8 - Solti/CSO -A real blockbuster - heard them do this live in Boston - just overpowering #9, #10 - Sony(CBS) Portrait - Efrem Kurtz/NYPO #9, from '49; and Mitropoulos/NYPO from '54 on #10. Classics - great performances - 9 I've never heard equaled. #10 - Solti/CSO is very strong #13, 14, 15 - still getting into them - Solti is good 13,15. Bernstein and Rostropovich in 14 (which has to be one of the "darkest" pieces ever written. It's even gloomy for DS) |
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Jim McClanahan Moderator |
Vinylphiles member, Henny van der Groep, has recently finished writing an interesting article about the Shostakovich 9th Symphony. Conventional wisdom usually has us believe that the composer simply failed to accede to party wishes for a huge patriotic opus and delivered a lightweight piece of fluff instead. However, as Henny demonstrates, a very cogent argument may also be made that Shostakovich actually went a step further and composed a satirically intended musical comment by use of several obscure musical elements. A very tongue-in-cheek affair. In order to track those elements in a form which a reader could follow, she has used the timings from the 1982 Bernard Haitink/LPO recording of the 9th. In an earlier post Henny explored two other recordings of this work. Henny has told me I may post this on our site, so here it is (It may also be read at the following site, which may prove easier because some of the formatting is a little skewed in the text below http://www.knnv.nl/hoorn/The_Ninth_Symphony.htm ): The Ninth Symphony; Satire or Parody?
Why does this Symphony fascinate me? If you don't listen carefully you might think it's an uncomplicated and cheerful work. It's a classic work in its clear structure and has much similarity with Prokofiev's "Classic Symphony". But in fact it's a Neoclassicistic work ! It seems a simple work but I became aware of many references, which I would like to show you. First I need to explain something about history and the music he composed during that time of his life, for this determines its character. I want to express my gratitude to Jan Koster, who inspired me in the first place. I wish to thank two people, who helped me with editing and advice: Jim McClanahan and Warner Immink. I want to thank Lex van Malsen for "lending" his ears. Finally I want to thank my husband Egbert Baars and Freek van der Groep for their never ending believing in what I am doing. Without all their help you wouldn't read this! Background. After having composed both Operas "The Nose" and "Lady Macbeth of Mtsensk District", Shostakovich was accused of Formalism in 1936. The Soviet authorities criticised his way of composing. Shostakovich used techniques too modern and too Western, according to the Russian standard. In other words it was not nationalistic enough. Pravda stated: "Muddle instead of music". That criticism also had to do with the erotic passage in Lady Macbeth where Shostakovich portrayed the bedroom scene by the use of trombones with a great sense of humour. It must have been rather shocking for Stalin and his "friends". The pressure of the Party must have been enormous (his family was threatened page 125 [5]), for he had to conform his style to the Classical model again. As we all know Shostakovich tried "to satisfy" the desired norm and wrote his subsequent symphonies this way, but…………... In 1938 before the Second World War started, Hitler brutally killed many Jews in the terrible "Crystal Night"; A night everybody in the world followed with horror. And in 1939 Stalin and Hitler started to cooperate. In 1941 many Jews were killed in Russia. Some important events happened during the War in Russia while Shostakovich wrote his 9th Symphony. 1. In 1941 The Nazi's murdered 200.000 Jews at Babi Yar in Kiev. 2. One of Shostakovich's students, Venjamin Fleischmann fell during the 900-day siege of Leningrad. In honour of his pupil Shostakovich completed and orchestrated his Opera, "Rothschild's Violin" in 1943. 3. After this he studied the Jewish culture and started to learn Hebrew. 4. His friend Sollertinsky died on 11 February 1944 at Novossibirsk (born 3 December l902 at Vietivsk). Shostakovich dedicated Piano Trio no. 2 in E minor opus 67 to his friend. It's well-known that the Finale contains a Jewish Theme. In the same period he wrote String Quartet no 2 in A Major. 5. A short time before Shostakovich wrote this Symphony, the USSR got involved in the War against Japan and the Balkans. At Monday morning the 6th of August 1945 at 8:15 the first nuclear bomb fell on Hiroshima; a dramatic episode in the world history. The Ninth was written directly after the Second World War, from the 26th of July through the 30th of August 1945. The Soviet authorities more or less expected that Shostakovich would write a heroic Symphony, as an homage to Stalin and to the people who served in the War. And this is what S. had in mind, for he wanted to compose a Symphony in Beethoven's style with a heroic final chorus [4]. Shostakovich's literal words were, that he would like to write a work with chorus, orchestra and soloist (in the end it became the 14th). Using extreme contrasts S. knows how to create different moods. By combining this with musical metaphorical references the work gets more depth or makes more sense. What was the meaning of Shostakovich's apparent cheerfulness in this sublimely orchestrated Symphony? At the end this Symphony becomes sarcastic, full of irony and secret amusement. You can hardly say it's happy or light-hearted, but you could call it playful as in a game with the authorities, who thought with baffling arrogance that they could dictate their rules to an artist like Shostakovich and thought that they could beat him. However, S. sarcasm and mockery worried the authorities and the rulers of the world, including Stalin and Hitler, in a way nobody could suspect and so he wrote a symphony as no one had before. A Satire or Parody: You might even say a "Symphony without Words".
First movement: Allegro [2]
0:00:00 The woodwinds come in exuberantly followed by excited violins (in a hasty gallop). It sounds as if they are laughing. And that effect Shostakovich gets by playing a descending second interval in super-fast sixteenth. This chuckling motif returns several times, played by different group of instruments. 0:00:00 The structure of this movement is: ABAB 0:00:00 The restrained bassoons11 open very softly, in reaction to the strings, which are changing in a noticeable complaint-like Eastern melody from parallel quint. Variations in 2/4 and 3/4 measures strengthen this. They were used in general by Western composers to suggest an exotic touch. 1. In his composition, Shostakovich made good use of typical Western modern musical techniques to suggest Eastern music (see footnote 3). Yet it seems to me, this must be seen in a different light than typecasting a country, harem etc, for this was the usual way Western composers worked [14]. It doesn't so much function as a reference to the East as it does an indication to the politic and dramatic events in the whole world at that moment. However, I don't have the impression that Shostakovich wants to refer to this directly but rather to that occurs in the "background" of his life. The use of "modern Western techniques" in his compositions must have been "overlooked" by the Soviet authorities. 2. The cheerfulness changes rather quickly in the Allegro and it's due to the emphatic sounding trombones that this movement sounds ironic. 3. a. The references to The Nose by Gogol (Allegro),and Wozzeck by Berg are remarkable. a. The Nose in the Gogol story refers to authorities, the individual and the mass with a great deal of irony and absurd moments.
c. The dancing violin plays an important role in the first movement. It sounds like a mixture of humour with tragedy. Yehudi Menuhin wrote an essay (from next year in Jerusalem) about the reason why in particular Jews often are playing this instrument (16). d. The Largo is less ear-catching than the third and the fifth movement is probably the most important. Shostakovich jammed this between those notable movements so it wouldn't draw any attention. There are a couple of very important references to find. It's definitely and undeniably a tombstone! e. The Presto is an open and clear pointer to Rossini. The snaredrum, that can be heard regularly in part I, III and V, plays the striking rhythm of William Tell. f. The reference to Pulcinella comes from the Comedia Dellarte and has the same meaning as our Dutch Jan Klaassen or Punch and Judy [10]. The last one points also to Pontius and Judas; the Bible.
4. Dmitri Shostakovich absorbed the musical style of Berg's opera and lavishly used Berg's musical conceptions in the Nose (including Berg's penchant for numerology). 5. How right you are this is no coincidence! A summary: Five Tableaux Allegro; Announcement, as in a Circus by the Trombone 6. Shostakovich points in every way to Western music as he did in other works as well. I doubt Stalin and the Party members realised this entirely. He used all kinds of Modern techniques in such a way that most of us can't even guess. He also used a parody technique that incorporates literature, musicology, psychology, history, etymology, theology etc and I am sure I am forgetting something. Finally Blokker, 22-9-1999. (VN in East-Timor) References: 1. CD Recording by Haitink, B. (1982) London Philharmonic Orchestra, Shostakovich, Dmitri Ninth Symphony. Material has been collected from many different sources, but I am not aware of any copyrights violations. Please contact me if you have any questions about this essay! |
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