Return-Path: Received: from e4001 ([209.1.28.62]) by s1000e2.webcom.com (Netscape Mail Server v2.02) with SMTP id AAA15535 for ; Sat, 7 Feb 1998 23:59:08 -0800 Received: from eagle.esosoft.net by e4001 (WebCom SMTP 1.1.0) with SMTP id AAAa0005D; Sat Feb 7 23:58:40 1998 -0800 Received: from localhost (eagle@localhost) by eagle.esosoft.net (8.8.5) id AAA27095; Sun, 8 Feb 1998 00:56:07 -0700 (MST) Received: by eagle.esosoft.net (bulk_mailer v1.9); Sun, 8 Feb 1998 00:56:07 -0700 Received: (eagle@localhost) by eagle.esosoft.net (8.8.5) id AAA27085; Sun, 8 Feb 1998 00:56:06 -0700 (MST) Date: Sun, 8 Feb 1998 00:56:06 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <199802080756.AAA27085@eagle.esosoft.net> From: owner-vinylphiles-digest@Majordomo.net (vinylphiles-digest) To: vinylphiles-digest@Majordomo.net Subject: vinylphiles-digest V1 #38 Reply-To: vinylphiles@Majordomo.net Sender: owner-vinylphiles-digest@Majordomo.net vinylphiles-digest Sunday, February 8 1998 Volume 01 : Number 038 In this issue: Re: [VPs] Calling Mono lovers [--deleted-- (Claes Liljeqvist)] [VPs] Headphone Amp [PGUEZZE@aol.com] [VPs] Works by Jeno HUBAY [Stan Klemanowicz ] [VPs] Re: No CD & Glenn Gould, etc. ["Carl Pultz" ] [VPs] Symphonie Espagnole [Bruce Kennett Studio ] Re: [VPs] secrets of "real world" speaker design [Lanny Chambers ] Re: [VPs] Symphonie Espagnole [] Re: [VPs] Headphone Amp [Colin Thompson ] Re: [VPs] Ooops! [Mercmoon@aol.com] Re: [VPs] Ooops! [nviclassical@postoffice.att.net] Re: [VPs] Ooops! [] Re: [VPs] String Quartets [nviclassical@postoffice.att.net] Re: [VPs] Ooops! [Mercmoon@aol.com] Re: [VPs] Calling Mono lovers; Remington ["Pieter Winius" ] [VPs] Moth Kanoot ["Scott D. Faulkner" ] Re: [VPs] Free Day Friday, was Re: Glenn Gould, etc. ["BDClark" ] [VPs] More mono madness! ["BDClark" ] Re: [VPs] Headphone Amp [PGUEZZE@aol.com] Re: [VPs] String Quartets [] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 7 Feb 1998 14:09:28 +0100 From: --deleted-- (Claes Liljeqvist) Subject: Re: [VPs] Calling Mono lovers Roy Evans said: > Furthermore, how can anyone deny the well-known 5-alarm Michele >Auclair Tchaikowsky Violin Concerto. I would like to start a rumour about >her. It is fact that her Strad disappeared after her death. I contend, it >spontaneously combusted. Aren't you really confusing Auclair with Erica Morini?? /Claes ========================== To(Un)Subscribe, send email to: Majordomo@Majordomo.net with a message in the body: subscribe vinylphiles or unsubscribe vinylphiles Substitute vinylphiles-digest for vinylphiles if you wish the digest. Vinylphiles Homepage http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Metro/9337/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Feb 1998 09:59:39 EST From: PGUEZZE@aol.com Subject: [VPs] Headphone Amp Hi Everyone, I'm brand new to Vinylphiles. I'm looking for a good headphone amp,any recomendations. Can you connect a turntable directly to the headphone amp? Thanks Paul ========================== To(Un)Subscribe, send email to: Majordomo@Majordomo.net with a message in the body: subscribe vinylphiles or unsubscribe vinylphiles Substitute vinylphiles-digest for vinylphiles if you wish the digest. Vinylphiles Homepage http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Metro/9337/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Feb 1998 07:14:22 +0000 From: Stan Klemanowicz Subject: [VPs] Works by Jeno HUBAY Hello everybody, and I"m not sure how many you are. I'm seeking recordings of compositions by Jeno Hubay, the pre-WWII Hungarian violinist and pedagogue. He was the teacher of Szigeti and Telmanyi. To the best of my knowledge he composed over 140 pieces, the best known being Hejri Kate, Zephyr, and a violin concerto. We're talking super-beautiful romantic Hungarian stuff that's incredibly difficult to play right and sound good. In your local hunts please keep an eye out for them. Should anyone desire a list of his recordings that I have found to exist please e-mail me. Thanks. Stan KLemanowicz stanklem@earthlink.net ========================== To(Un)Subscribe, send email to: Majordomo@Majordomo.net with a message in the body: subscribe vinylphiles or unsubscribe vinylphiles Substitute vinylphiles-digest for vinylphiles if you wish the digest. Vinylphiles Homepage http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Metro/9337/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Feb 1998 09:55:35 -0500 From: "Carl Pultz" Subject: [VPs] Re: No CD & Glenn Gould, etc. A few thoughts re. recent threads: Gould's take on Siegfried-Idyll is probably better heard on CD. The playing is SO slow, and the silences are so important to his concept, that the (usually) noisy, off-center, pre-echo-ridden Columbia pressings will not properly represent what (I think) Gould was trying to achieve. Mine doesn't, anyway. This is definitely the exception to the rule. The Sony reissues of the Gould, Bernstein, etc. catalog are inferior to the earlier CBS CDs. Sony tried to modernize the sound, smooth it out and make it warmer. Though they corrected some flaws, much of the vitality of the performances has been removed. The result is as homogenous and drab as most current product is. (And critics blame the performers!) The CBS CDs are much closer to the LP sound. Certainly, Columbia LPs are flawed and often nasty (John McClure himself has been quoted regretting the limitations imposed by corporate policy), but we should remember that the sound heard on them is what the artists approved. One can assume that they accepted the limited dynamic range and absence of bass as a general limitation of the medium. I doubt, however, that Glenn or Lenny would have liked the bloodless renditions that currently represent their legacy. This is probably preaching to the choir, but I have heard so many of the Sony (and Philips and DG and London and .....) CD reissues, that I just wanted to confirm your impressions. Except for the invaluable historic issues that are unique to this decade, you can leave the CD player in the closet. A "better" player will not help. For anyone who is just beginning to sample LP, you will soon find that you have not correctly experienced a recording until you have heard it on analog, whatever the flaws of the disk itself. We will never properly experience the 15 years of performances that are CD only. Thanks for all the great info and food for thought, friends, Carl ========================== To(Un)Subscribe, send email to: Majordomo@Majordomo.net with a message in the body: subscribe vinylphiles or unsubscribe vinylphiles Substitute vinylphiles-digest for vinylphiles if you wish the digest. Vinylphiles Homepage http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Metro/9337/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Feb 1998 11:04:25 EST From: AnnaLogg@aol.com Subject: Re: [VPs] Re: No CD & Glenn Gould, etc. In a message dated 98-02-07 10:07:16 EST, you write: > Except for the invaluable historic > issues that are unique to this decade, you can leave the CD player in the > closet. A "better" player will not help. Actually, I was not exactly correct when I said I didn't have a CD player -- forgot the CD ROM unit in my PC (which is currently playing the FI Classical Sampler "The Originals," one of three I have come to inadvertently own). Sounds great, especially with these teeny-tiny-itty-bitty Lilliputian speakers ;-D.... (As for the others, one was a giveaway at a recent record show (and no wonder!) which has a frightful cover and contains only one absolutely awful "song" (I guess that's what it is....) and the other given as a Christmas gift by a neighbor-friend (who Means Well But Doesn't Really Understand) is a recording of a local rock group (who I think are friends of hers). <(*,*)> As my little old Hungarian grandmother would have said: "For free, take; for buy -- waste time!" > For anyone who is just beginning to sample LP, you will soon find that you > have not correctly experienced a recording until you have heard it on > analog, whatever the flaws of the disk itself. We will never properly > experience the 15 years of performances that are CD only. an inestimable tragedy, especially the early awfuls..... best, Anna ========================== To(Un)Subscribe, send email to: Majordomo@Majordomo.net with a message in the body: subscribe vinylphiles or unsubscribe vinylphiles Substitute vinylphiles-digest for vinylphiles if you wish the digest. Vinylphiles Homepage http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Metro/9337/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Feb 1998 11:19:43 EST From: Khafara@aol.com Subject: Re: [VPs] String Quartets RE: GOuld and Autism... Ever hear of a book titled *The Anthropologist from MArs*? It's about autism. The title is taken from the comments of a recovering autistic, who used the prhase to describe what it felt like, while deep in the grips of autism, to relate to other people. I wonder if that's how Gould felt.... Tamara ========================== To(Un)Subscribe, send email to: Majordomo@Majordomo.net with a message in the body: subscribe vinylphiles or unsubscribe vinylphiles Substitute vinylphiles-digest for vinylphiles if you wish the digest. Vinylphiles Homepage http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Metro/9337/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Feb 98 10:56:43 -0600 From: Lanny Chambers Subject: Re: [VPs] Headphone Amp On 2/7/98 08:59, PGUEZZE@aol.com PGUEZZE@aol.com wrote: > I'm brand new to Vinylphiles. I'm looking for a good headphone >amp,any recomendations. Can you connect a turntable directly to the headphone >amp? I don't know much about headphone amps, but unless it has its own built-in RiAA equalization you'll need a phono preamplifier at the very least. LPs are heavily equalized to make best use of the physical qualities of vinyl as a storage medium. Also, the voltage coming out of a phono cartridge is orders of magnitude lower than from other input sources, and will usually need considerable amplification to drive an amp. Lanny Chambers (lanny@derived.com) St. Louis, USA Visit the Hummingbird Page: ========================== To(Un)Subscribe, send email to: Majordomo@Majordomo.net with a message in the body: subscribe vinylphiles or unsubscribe vinylphiles Substitute vinylphiles-digest for vinylphiles if you wish the digest. Vinylphiles Homepage http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Metro/9337/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Feb 1998 12:07:35 -0500 From: Bruce Kennett Studio Subject: [VPs] Symphonie Espagnole Hi Gang, I bought a couple of records from the Classic grind-up sale. One was the Lalo. I have always listened to the Stern/Ormandy/Phila version, bought it in the 70s and have never ventured beyond that one. I like the music fine, although it's not one of my central favorites. Now I listen to this RCA recording and am befuddled by something. In the second movement, there are some (what I take to be) triangles, recorded quite spot-lit in left side of soundfield. In the Ormandy recording, the triangles are very faint, and are scattered in a couple of places, way back. I guess I'd prefer to have them somewhere in between the effects on these two records, as they're a bit much on the RCA, and barely discernible on the Columbia. Anyway, here's my question. On the RCA, it sounds as if someone is striking the triangle and them *immediately* quelling its decay. To my ear, it's more like the sound of a tambourine that has only one pair of "cymbals" in it, which the musician hits once against the writst. There's a big metallic highlight, and then... nothing. On the Columbia, it's obvious that the orchestra is using triangles, and although they're faint, you can hear them decaying. So, is the RCA session using something else besides triangles? If so, what instrument? If these *are* triangle strikes, why do they sound so weird? Part of Lalo's directions, or an anomaly in recording process? Something in the Classic transfer that's not on the RCA originals? I find the effect very unnatural and disquieting -- sorta pulls me out of the nice reverie of the music. And finally, what other readings of this piece do youse guys like? Nettled in NH ========================== To(Un)Subscribe, send email to: Majordomo@Majordomo.net with a message in the body: subscribe vinylphiles or unsubscribe vinylphiles Substitute vinylphiles-digest for vinylphiles if you wish the digest. Vinylphiles Homepage http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Metro/9337/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Feb 98 11:17:28 -0600 From: Lanny Chambers Subject: Re: [VPs] secrets of "real world" speaker design On 2/6/98 22:25, Saul Sokolsky ssokolsky@loop.com wrote: >I was struck by Lanny's comment about the lack of high-end, low-end and >detail. Bear in mind, Saul, that I did mention the possibility that the Underground system had been "balanced" to cope with CD. Susan had to bring her own turntable, since there was not a single functioning table in the store. I can't blame the speakers alone, since I'm not familiar with the amp or cables either. All I can relate is what I heard, in that particular room, in the short time I was there: bass drums that were plainly heard in Susan's living room were missing entirely at Underground, and triangles went "clink" instead of "dingggg." (Don't you love onomatopoeia?) FWIW, I have *never* heard sound in any audio showroom that could approach my own simple system--or those of my friends--in overall realism. I'm not trying to brag, a lot of my stuff isn't all that great, but most store demo set-ups just sound "hi-fi." I'm thinking a few months of fanatical tweaking (e.g., moving speakers 1 cm at a time) can make huge differences in how one's system performs, especially concerning its interface with the room. I'm also thinking that money spent on those outrageous interconnects does more harm than good, and would be better saved toward less-colored electronics. ========================== To(Un)Subscribe, send email to: Majordomo@Majordomo.net with a message in the body: subscribe vinylphiles or unsubscribe vinylphiles Substitute vinylphiles-digest for vinylphiles if you wish the digest. Vinylphiles Homepage http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Metro/9337/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Feb 1998 11:33:35 -0500 From: Bruce Kinch Subject: [VPs] Free Day Friday, was Re: Glenn Gould, etc. >From: Lanny Chambers >On 2/6/98 22:34, Karavan orthodox@bellatlantic.net wrote: > >>I don't have a CD player, and I would wager that a few otherson this >>list are in the same laser-free boat. I have yet to enjoy >>music played by one of those infernal contraptions. -George >In time, when I ran out of electrical outlets, the CD box got unplugged >to make room for something else (I don't recall what). That was months >and months ago. It's still unplugged. Wonder if it still works? Nahhh... > A typical CD rig puts out a lot of RFI and garbage into the AC lines. Leave it unplugged. Analog sounds even better that way. Bruce C. Kinch Editor Primyl Vinyl Exchange The Audiophile Record Collectors Newsletter ========================== To(Un)Subscribe, send email to: Majordomo@Majordomo.net with a message in the body: subscribe vinylphiles or unsubscribe vinylphiles Substitute vinylphiles-digest for vinylphiles if you wish the digest. Vinylphiles Homepage http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Metro/9337/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Feb 1998 12:51:07 -0500 From: Bruce Kinch Subject: [VPs] Headphone Amp >From: PGUEZZE@aol.com > I'm brand new to Vinylphiles. I'm looking for a good headphone >amp,any recomendations. Can you connect a turntable directly to the headphone >amp? The Ear Max OTL tube unit is terrific, and I've used a Headroom Little with their special enhancement circuit quite happily for several years. If you want preamp capability as well, the Melos SHA is terrific. You can't run the TT straight in, as LPs need RIAA EQ-ie a phono stage. If I were to set up now, I'd probably opt for either the Musical Fidelity X-LP and X-Cans duo or the Creek boxes as inexpensive LP to 'phones rigs. Bruce C. Kinch Editor Primyl Vinyl Exchange The Audiophile Record Collectors Newsletter ========================== To(Un)Subscribe, send email to: Majordomo@Majordomo.net with a message in the body: subscribe vinylphiles or unsubscribe vinylphiles Substitute vinylphiles-digest for vinylphiles if you wish the digest. Vinylphiles Homepage http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Metro/9337/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Feb 98 18:07:46 -0000 From: Subject: Re: [VPs] Symphonie Espagnole Bruce K. wrote >So, is the RCA session using something else besides triangles? If so, what >instrument? If these *are* triangle strikes, why do they sound so weird? Well, it's the same on the Victrola, sounds like the player's damping it quickly, at different times and volumes. Every one of these notes sounds different! Some of them echo to the other side; and the first one sounds like a smaller version of Donner's hammer blow at the end of Rheingold. Menuhin did a really nice version with Goossens (ASD 290 for silly money, or various reissues). Same, or similar damped triangle there. Must be in the score? You may find the more discrete balance more suited to your triangular disposition. Listening to triangles on a Saturday afternoon... Paul I. ========================== To(Un)Subscribe, send email to: Majordomo@Majordomo.net with a message in the body: subscribe vinylphiles or unsubscribe vinylphiles Substitute vinylphiles-digest for vinylphiles if you wish the digest. Vinylphiles Homepage http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Metro/9337/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Feb 1998 10:42:06 -0800 From: Colin Thompson Subject: Re: [VPs] Headphone Amp Hi Paul, I think you phono stage to HP amp question has already been answered by other list members. I just set my niece up with a Creek HP amp and Grado 225 phones for Christmas. Very nice and the errors are mostly subtractive. Really rocks. I use an older Headroom Supreme (gain jumpers cut) with Etymotic phones for portable use. This continually blows me away for it's size, cost and performance. Sounds great with Grado phones too. One extra thought on the portable Headroom amps is you can run them with 6 volts DC input. Three 11 ah gel cells powering a Headroom amp is stunning. The Creek runs on a 24 volt wall wart. I suppose you could rig a high capacity gel cel power supply for it with two 12 volt cells. If you want to go all out, check into the Holmes Powell direct coupled triode HP amp. This amp with the Etymotics or Grado HP2s is the best I have ever heard, period. Headphones do image well with out the need for signal processors. This amp proves it. Colin PGUEZZE@aol.com wrote: > > Hi Everyone, > > I'm brand new to Vinylphiles. I'm looking for a good headphone > amp,any recomendations. Can you connect a turntable directly to the headphone > amp? ========================== To(Un)Subscribe, send email to: Majordomo@Majordomo.net with a message in the body: subscribe vinylphiles or unsubscribe vinylphiles Substitute vinylphiles-digest for vinylphiles if you wish the digest. Vinylphiles Homepage http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Metro/9337/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Feb 1998 15:03:00 EST From: Mercmoon@aol.com Subject: Re: [VPs] Ooops! In a message dated 98-02-06 23:54:52 EST, you write: << What about RCA LM-126, Rach:Rhapsody with Kapell/Reiner/and the Dell?? (It's a 10"). - George >> Also Mendelssohn's 'Midsummer Night's...' on RCA LM-1724 with the Robin Hood Dell... David M. Green ========================== To(Un)Subscribe, send email to: Majordomo@Majordomo.net with a message in the body: subscribe vinylphiles or unsubscribe vinylphiles Substitute vinylphiles-digest for vinylphiles if you wish the digest. Vinylphiles Homepage http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Metro/9337/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Feb 1998 15:00:09 +0000 From: nviclassical@postoffice.att.net Subject: Re: [VPs] Ooops! > Also Mendelssohn's 'Midsummer Night's...' on RCA LM-1724 with the Robin Hood > Dell... Well, I was right to begin with. :-) Most of the Robin Hood Dells were issued originally on 45 rpm by RCA. The recordings which I consider worthy, but which rarely get a listen, are the recordings Reiner did with Pittsburgh (not Philadelphia) on Columbia, mostly on 78s, but also on the old blue label LPs, a label I find almost as difficult as Remington to get a decent sound from. :-) BTW, Remingtons sound a lot better if played on non-audiophile equipment using a 1 mil stylus (I think Mike Biel was the first to suggest that many moons ago). I bought a turntable just to play 78s and old monos and I also bought a used Advent receiver which has a mono switch. You can get quite a bit more sophisticated with equalizers and such for non-standard RIAA LPs and 78s which do not use it, but I haven't gotten that far with mine. The recordings with Reiner and the PIttsburgh SO are being reissued by Sony on CD. I bought a very inexpensive CD player for the reasons REG suggested: to listen to old recordings being remastered to CD. Most of the ones I buy are mono, and many are from the 78 era. One of the first topics we discussed when this list began was the Columbia acoustic 78 transfers of the Ysaye recordings, which I have on CD. I'm a confirmed vinylphile, but yet I do listen to CDs in order to hear the performances of the past which are not on vinyl, or are extremely hard to find. I even bought a CD set of historic violin performances in order to get the Spalding Brahm's Hungarian Dances with Kookier, and I believe there is something wrong with the speed of the LP and perhaps the pitch because the CD sounds much better than the cleanest copy of the Remington LP. As for Bob's question on Albert Spalding: He wrote a memoir some years ago, but I can't find a copy. I have an Albert Spalding web page at http://www.webcom.com/cyteen/spald.html which is just information I've compiled from LP liner notes. His great-nephew emailed me about a year ago and thanked me for my efforts in keeping his uncle's memory alive. That gave me a warm, fuzzy feeling. :-) The Albert Spalding page averages 10 visits per day, mostly from search engine searches, so there is still a significant interest in Spalding. Cheers, Susan ========================== To(Un)Subscribe, send email to: Majordomo@Majordomo.net with a message in the body: subscribe vinylphiles or unsubscribe vinylphiles Substitute vinylphiles-digest for vinylphiles if you wish the digest. Vinylphiles Homepage http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Metro/9337/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Feb 98 21:40:07 -0000 From: Subject: Re: [VPs] Ooops! Susan wrote: >I bought a very inexpensive CD player for the reasons REG suggested: to >listen to old recordings being remastered to CD. Do you get the Biddulph cd issues in the US? There's a nice Spalding; plenty of others. Some of the mono Decca cds were good (Ravel/Ansermet, some performances better than the stereo remakes) but it's nice to imagine what a careful lp reissue of some of Decca's early stuff would sound like. cheers Paul I. ========================== To(Un)Subscribe, send email to: Majordomo@Majordomo.net with a message in the body: subscribe vinylphiles or unsubscribe vinylphiles Substitute vinylphiles-digest for vinylphiles if you wish the digest. Vinylphiles Homepage http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Metro/9337/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Feb 1998 15:45:42 +0000 From: nviclassical@postoffice.att.net Subject: Re: [VPs] String Quartets Bruce Kinch writes: > I recently rented "32 Short Films about Glenn Gould" to play something > other than explosions on our re-configured "Home Theater" rig. Laura and I > looked at each other at the end and said "Aspberger's!"-we have a family > member so afflicted-although the film presented Gould as a mere eccentric. I have one in residence -- a 10 year old son with Aspergers, whose speech (very convoluted and pedantic), body posture and mannerisms are strikingly similar to Gould's. My son's "interests" are in mathematics and science; his heroes are Albert Einstein and Stephen Hawking. He recently wrote a short science fiction vignette and cast Vladimir Horowtiz as the hero (I think it is a hoot!): "(This story is written from the flight log of 18-year-old 1st Lt. Vlad "the Mad" Horowitz) Flight Log for fighter unit #0061/2 1-20-97 I was on a training mission, sucking dust and zapping comets, when a zillion robot ships older than the universe approached, led by some ugly embessel who speaks in monotones. He tuned in my freqency and said "Thou shalt be toast!" Lasers fired and decimated the squadron. My friends could hardly tell whether they were coming or going. In the midst of all the annihalation, I managed to get the drop on the robots' leader. But he was smart. When I shot him down, he bailed out and safely parachuted onto an asteroid. " Just imagine Horowitz sucking dust and zapping coments. :-) My son has a very above average IQ and if you met him you would think him an odd little boy with an overwhelming interest in Worm Holes. > Aspberger's Syndrome is actually a fairly broad diagnosis. It may have a > lot of behavioral similarities to obsessive-compulsive disorder (OCD) as > well as to autism, and often occurs with "compensatory" talents such as > mathematics or music. Gould's preference for accepting interviews only by Many cognitive psychologists in the field believe it to be on a "continuum" with "disorders" such as ADD, OCD, Tourettes, and autism. I don't think these abilities are compensatory, but arise out of their inherent desire to perseverate on their interests to the exclusion of everything else. There is convincing (and almost conclusive) genetic research from Stanford that indicates Aspergers is genetic, and while the parents and siblings of individuals often to not have Aspergers, they do have "traits." Clusters of "disorders" such as austism, Aspergers, Tourettes and elective mutism occur within families. I have a niece who is autistic and severely disabled. I know that mathematical ability runs in my family, as almost all male members of my family were engineers and scientists. So, my son was born with a gift for math and a propensity to perseverate on it for many, many hours non-stop. Gould, on the other hand, was from a musical family and born with a gift of music an and overwhelming interest in it and was allowed to pursue it during his childhood to the exclusion of almost everything. > telephone-and his dislike for live performance-are characteristic AS traits > as well, as normal social interactions are often total mysteries to AS > folk, and must be learned by rote. Gould's fondness for Bach's polyphony > and his own sound-collage productions for the CBC also recall AS > attention/background noise difficulties. I'll have to get the Ostwald book. The core "defect" so to speak, in autism and Apsergers, according to Frith, et al. ("Autism and Aspergers Syndrome") is the inability to mentalize other people's thoughts. They don't "naturally" consider what other people may be thinking before they speak or act. They do, of course, learn to consider it, but it's not something which comes easily, as it does to the rest of the world. A lot of things are learned by rote and they become very attached to certain objects, routines and food preferences to the exclusion of everything else. Gould wouldn't give up his chair even though his buttocks were sticking out of it and it was totally bereft of any cushion! Public performances must have been absolutely excrutiating for him to endure. Most people with AS do not choose professions which put them in the public limelight. I can only consider Gould courageous in this light -- not a bundle of neuroses as critics often present him. > For more on AS, I highly recommend Oliver Sacks' "An Anthropologist on > Mars", esp. the section on Temple Grandin. Yes, I've read it and I know Dr. Temple Grandin, whose area of expertise is cattle holding facilities. Temple Grandin, Ph.D. is the world's leading authority on how to design habitats for cattle. When she was a child, she used a cattle squeeze machine to calm herself and developed an all-consuming interest in cattle and their behaivor. "An Anthropologist on Mars" is a wonderful book which delves into all sort of strange cases. The surgeon with Tourettes really blew my mind. :-) I find it all the more interesting that geneticists are unravelling the human genome and are discovering that many "mental illnesses" result from clusters of genes ocurring together. (See _Newsweek_ of 2 or 3 weeks ago). For instance, say a person needs 10 "genetic defects" to be considered a full-blown manic depressive, but say a person with 3 of them may have a personality like Robin Williams. So, we are all probably a little crazy, and I'm convinced its a very *positive* thing. Because as Dr. Temple Grandin said in _Newsweek_ (paraphrasing) that it took an awfully anti-social caveman to invent the wheel. Cheers, Susan ========================== To(Un)Subscribe, send email to: Majordomo@Majordomo.net with a message in the body: subscribe vinylphiles or unsubscribe vinylphiles Substitute vinylphiles-digest for vinylphiles if you wish the digest. Vinylphiles Homepage http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Metro/9337/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Feb 1998 18:15:22 EST From: Mercmoon@aol.com Subject: Re: [VPs] Ooops! Paul wrote: << Some of the mono Decca cds were good (Ravel/Ansermet, some performances better than the stereo remakes) >> Including the mono Petroushka (London LL130) of all things (considering the enormous, some might say, over-regard for the stereo recording). David N. Green ========================== To(Un)Subscribe, send email to: Majordomo@Majordomo.net with a message in the body: subscribe vinylphiles or unsubscribe vinylphiles Substitute vinylphiles-digest for vinylphiles if you wish the digest. Vinylphiles Homepage http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Metro/9337/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Feb 1998 00:21:27 +0100 From: "Pieter Winius" Subject: Re: [VPs] Calling Mono lovers; Remington Bruce wrote: > First, don't ever leave a used record shop without asking to see the box of > 10" records. Always, a cardboard carton tucked away somewhere, with neat > stuff the other collectors never saw. You bet, Bruce. This 10" raises questions. I found a 10" Remington, R 149.51, with Franck's Symphonic Variations on it. The pianist named is ' Frieda Valenzi '. I remembered the name slightly. I took it home, looked it up, and first found a little memo from a dealer in his list stating that the pianist ' Etelka Freund ' (pupil of Brahms, he says) also went under the psudonym " V. Frieda ". Hmmm. sounds like he turned that around: should that be Frieda V.(-alenzi)? Then, I have a list of a highly knowledgable collector here in Holland, stating ' E. Freund's ' pseudonym to be " Etelka Frieda ". Question: IS " Frieda Valenzi " Etelka Freund, or not, and what then is her real pseudonym? Mike Biel, any answers perhaps? Furthermore: I think 10" records are a lot of fun. They even have a different layout to the consumer, I find. Many people indeed don't even glance at them; one collector I know, knowledgable of many "items" confided to me he actually didn't know there was anything worth looking for on 10" records: "I thought there was only music on them that had been issued on 12" before." Duh. Even so that's often the truth, would YOU ever pass over, say, Furtwanglers Beethoven 3rd if you saw a pristene 10" ? I won't. (The same collector told me a minute later he "couldn't be aroused by the Decca 6000 series anymore. It leaves me cold." -- "So, you say you like music, do you?", I then asked. - -- No reply came. Tsk tsk. Regards, Pieter. ========================== To(Un)Subscribe, send email to: Majordomo@Majordomo.net with a message in the body: subscribe vinylphiles or unsubscribe vinylphiles Substitute vinylphiles-digest for vinylphiles if you wish the digest. Vinylphiles Homepage http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Metro/9337/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Feb 1998 00:39:49 +0100 From: "Pieter Winius" Subject: [VPs] Gound wiring Just yesterday I ground wired my amplifier. A simple wire WELL attatched under a screw, grounded in the socket in the kitchen. I didn't expect it to sound in my system. You try, if you hadn't already. Pieter. ========================== To(Un)Subscribe, send email to: Majordomo@Majordomo.net with a message in the body: subscribe vinylphiles or unsubscribe vinylphiles Substitute vinylphiles-digest for vinylphiles if you wish the digest. Vinylphiles Homepage http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Metro/9337/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Feb 1998 16:50:27 -0800 (PST) From: "Scott D. Faulkner" Subject: [VPs] Moth Kanoot Other than that it has a weird name, can anyone tell me about this turntable? In the catalog it is compared with the Planar 3. For $499, might this be a good way to go? Thanks, Scott ========================== To(Un)Subscribe, send email to: Majordomo@Majordomo.net with a message in the body: subscribe vinylphiles or unsubscribe vinylphiles Substitute vinylphiles-digest for vinylphiles if you wish the digest. Vinylphiles Homepage http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Metro/9337/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Feb 1998 17:03:34 -0800 From: "BDClark" Subject: Re: [VPs] Free Day Friday, was Re: Glenn Gould, etc. - -----Original Message----- From: Lanny Chambers >The constant nagging of certain vinylphiles members notwithstanding, I >delayed getting into CD for years, with great success. However, when the >Living Presence CDs came out, I decided it was time to buy a player (so I >could hear them, right?) rather than wait for a million years in hopes >that all those tasty performances would find their way onto my shelves in >stereo LP format. So I bought a Rotel 855, just before it became a rave >item in the mags. It was the only unit I could afford that didn't give me >splitting headaches inside of 10 minutes, and it conveniently removes >most of the digital artifacts...along with a bit of the music, alas, but >IMHO subtractive error is better than the reverse, in digital. Let's call >it moderately musical, and a decent value at the time, for someone with >no intention of amassing hordes of seedies. I have also heard the Rotel, and, yes, it doesn't rip the hair out by the roots, it is... dull. No other explanation, just... dull. I have my eyes on one of the Marantz players... I heard it while I was doing a stint as retail mid-fi salesperson, and fell in love with it. So did my customers. Now, I want one for the occasional CD. I will admit to having >enjoyed many of those great Mercury sessions on CD, although I'm not sure >I'd say the same today, given the intervening quantum increase in my >system's resolution. The A/D gap is still widening. That's one of the joys of having a non-=critical system in the main room, and the Sherwood downstairs... the Sherwood sees 99% of the vinyl, the Kenwood KX-1000 (while no slouch!) sees more CDs than vinyl, even though the crappy Technics player is also semi-permanently unplugged. I'm actually playing the CDs off of the computer, which is also in the main family room. Brad bclark1@lewiston.com ========================== To(Un)Subscribe, send email to: Majordomo@Majordomo.net with a message in the body: subscribe vinylphiles or unsubscribe vinylphiles Substitute vinylphiles-digest for vinylphiles if you wish the digest. Vinylphiles Homepage http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Metro/9337/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Feb 98 19:17:10 -0600 From: Lanny Chambers Subject: Re: [VPs] Moth Kanoot On 2/7/98 18:50, Scott D. Faulkner faulkner@unr.edu wrote: >Other than that it has a weird name, can anyone tell me about this >turntable? In the catalog it is compared with the Planar 3. For $499, >might this be a good way to go? I'd compare it with any inexpensive sprung table before buying one without suspension (if it's really like the Rega). If your speakers are capable of real bass, you'll hear the difference. Don't pass up any used Linns, Systemdeks, or even ARs--all are better than the Regas I've heard, which admittedly are generally demoed using pathetically tiny speakers. YMMV, FWIW, etc. Lanny Chambers (lanny@derived.com) St. Louis, USA Visit the Hummingbird Page: ========================== To(Un)Subscribe, send email to: Majordomo@Majordomo.net with a message in the body: subscribe vinylphiles or unsubscribe vinylphiles Substitute vinylphiles-digest for vinylphiles if you wish the digest. Vinylphiles Homepage http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Metro/9337/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Feb 1998 17:27:19 -0800 From: "BDClark" Subject: [VPs] More mono madness! Well, I usually find a LOT of stuff in mono, like the Boston Symphonic stuff on shaded dog Victor. I found a couple of the Capitol green/gold ffdr discs... not bad, but not great. I just recveived from a friend some 10" Dutch Phillips stuff, all mono, all very nice. Along with some NICE VICS, and a few other miscellaneous operatic/ensemble things. Mostly German pressings, but the smattering of English EMI & HMV. The two prizes, IMnsHO is the Richmond (UK Decca press) of Pirates of Penzance (ooOOOoo the stereo version!), and a mono shaded dog of Tristan & Isolde (LM7600). All in all a nice bequeathment! Have a great weekend! Brad bclark1@lewiston.com ========================== To(Un)Subscribe, send email to: Majordomo@Majordomo.net with a message in the body: subscribe vinylphiles or unsubscribe vinylphiles Substitute vinylphiles-digest for vinylphiles if you wish the digest. Vinylphiles Homepage http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Metro/9337/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Feb 1998 21:06:13 EST From: PGUEZZE@aol.com Subject: Re: [VPs] Headphone Amp Hi Colin, How much does the Holmes Powell direct coupled triode HP amp cost and where a good place to purchase one. Thanks Paul ========================== To(Un)Subscribe, send email to: Majordomo@Majordomo.net with a message in the body: subscribe vinylphiles or unsubscribe vinylphiles Substitute vinylphiles-digest for vinylphiles if you wish the digest. Vinylphiles Homepage http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Metro/9337/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Feb 98 07:56:13 +0000 From: Subject: Re: [VPs] String Quartets Susan wrote: >Gould, on the other hand, was from a musical family and born with a gift of >music an and overwhelming interest in it and was allowed to pursue it during >his childhood to the exclusion of almost everything. I wonder if there's something about music, especially the classical sort, that brings out or encourages this sort of tendency anyway. You have to work *so* hard to please your teacher, and be any good. There are plenty of jokes over here about musicians knowing all about music..and nothing else, not the prime minister's name, etc. I know musicians who fit the bill. Spent the 'live aid' day with a musician I know well all those years ago (not at the gig: doing other things). As he seemed to be the only person in the country (I thought) who didn't know what Live Aid was, what Bob Geldof was up to, etc., I told him. What's interesting is, that an hour or two later he'd forgotten. Just no room in the memory banks for anything outside of the local classical world he lives in. No way is this man introverted: he conducts and organises people all the time. He's an outgoing person, to say the least. But that world, and the constant flow of music through his head, is everything. There is no room or time for anything else, reallly. And though involved in the world outside, he really knows nothing about it at all: and that includes his own family, to whom of course he's devoted, but in a different way to to his devotion to St. Cecilia. I'm sure it's born of over-diligent childhood practicing and the use of music as a safe-haven, as a defense against the nasty outside world (especially as a teenager). Some kids have to grow very long blinkers, just to get through. But the genetic/Aspberger's theory is fascinating. Not heard of the syndrome before: I'd like to know more. cheers Paul I. ========================== To(Un)Subscribe, send email to: Majordomo@Majordomo.net with a message in the body: subscribe vinylphiles or unsubscribe vinylphiles Substitute vinylphiles-digest for vinylphiles if you wish the digest. Vinylphiles Homepage http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Metro/9337/ ------------------------------ End of vinylphiles-digest V1 #38 ********************************